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Easy semiauto airgun
« on: May 11, 2012, 09:50:51 AM »
Been on vacation all week, so I've had a lot of time to spend with the family and on hobbies. One of the projects I've worked on is a feeding system that allows my spool valve airgun to work as a semiautomatic. Using poor quality glass marbles as ammunition, it will occasionally double feed. I believe this problem will clear up when I get some better ammo. The beauty of it all is how simple it was to build. No bolt needed, just a simple blocking mechanism to keep the ammo out of the valve and a detent to keep the ball from rolling out the barrel between shots. I'll do a video on it in the future, but here is a picture of it for now:

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2012, 11:06:51 AM »
nice! i'm looking forward to a video of this haha

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #2 on: May 12, 2012, 09:04:11 AM »
Looks cool Admin, can you get us a larger pic? The one posted is too small for my eyes lol
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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #3 on: May 12, 2012, 01:47:14 PM »
How about a video instead?  ;D

http://youtu.be/_cGp-alDCY0

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2012, 09:12:57 AM »
I've got some chrongraph data, averages 246 fps with poor fitting marbles as ammo. The marbles are roughly .5", the bore is .602". Looks like I'll have to get better ammo.  ;D At any rate, it is a lot of fun to shoot without pumping and reloading between shots.

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2012, 04:21:35 PM »
That`s pretty impressive fps. for a .102 difference in bore to load size. I would be interested to see what a better fit would get you.

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2012, 06:14:22 PM »
I was pretty happy with the result as well. To satisfy both of our curiosity, I double patched and muzzleloaded a marble. The chrony says 418 fps, which is a huge increase. The marble weighed in at 52 grains. The barrel is 15" long. The air pressure was 115 psi. 20 foot pounds of muzzle energy - man I need some better fitting ammo.  ;D

This whole project has me inspired to build a smaller version out of better materials that shoots .25" steel ball bearings or #3 buckshot. .25 pellets could be used as well if greater accuracy was needed. Having the time to build it might be another matter all together  :o

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2012, 08:18:43 PM »
dip the marble in wax. i do it for .50 steel for a .56 barrel.

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2012, 08:35:57 PM »
I'll give that a shot, does it retain its round shape? Perhaps a few coats of wax would do the trick. I've even considered dipping it in a rubberized coating like one of our members does for ammo used by police officers in paintball guns. Use a bright paint, and the ammo could be reused.

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #9 on: May 14, 2012, 07:32:45 AM »
418 fps on 115 psi is very impressive. This is why I have mentioned patched balls so many times, Seals bore to projectile very efficiently and protects the barrel from wear. I`m betting with a little lube on your patch you just might see another slight improvement on you fps. I started using shortening but will end up making a lube mix of lard, olive oil and beeswax. I have used this in the past for blackpowder loads with excellent results. With a smooth bore barrel you need the ball to be about .020 smaller than your bore and play with different patch thicknesses and lube until you find what works best with your setup. Now having said all this I do not know what will work for a lube in PVC. and what might not. I only have experience with steel barrels.
One of the things that happens with blackpowder loads with no/or to thin a patch material is blow by which is hot gasses blowing around either a non patched ball or poorly patched ball which can cause significant barrel damage I know this is not the case with air rifles but the principal of lost gas pressure is the same.
The other thing I am seeing is that the higher the pressure used the thicker the patch material/or tighter the fit between bore and patched ball is possible. Finding the best balance points of patch thickness, lube and air pressure is I will guarantee the answer to highest performance of psi to fps to fpe.

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #10 on: May 14, 2012, 12:29:39 PM »
A friend gave me a few ball end mills that were resharps. One of these was a resharpened 5/16" which came in at .302 which is close enough to the .300 I was looking for. I made another ball mold and cast 50 to start. These are patched with a .010 cloth patch which compresses to the .311 bore and gives a very good seal. I`m shooting at 165 psi and the balls weigh 40 grains. I also have a pretty fast spring valve release and lube every shot.
Now if you are shooting a marble that weighs 52 grains and you are running 115 psi and getting 415 fps I should be hitting a fair amount above that. No idea what my fps is but am suspecting in the 550 to 600 fps range which should be somewhere between 27 to 32 fpe. Those are numbers I can live with for now. I still need to get the freezer comp. setup to deliver the 400 psi I want to be shooting at. Right now finances are pretty tight so it might be a bit.

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #11 on: May 14, 2012, 01:13:26 PM »
i hear ya on the finances, thats why i've been playing with pvc. I imagine you should be shooting what you are figuring on. You can make a cheap chronograph using a microphone and your computer and a free program called audacity. I've posted directions on here somewhere on that.  Gives you average speed over a distance. I seem to recall if you figure your ballistic coefficient, you can work backwards and find your muzzle velocity. Been a while since i've done it, so dont quote me on that one lol.
I'll see if i can find a good lube for pvc. I've used veggie oil before, and wax slugs seem to zip thru nicely.

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #12 on: May 15, 2012, 10:42:59 AM »
sharp, i kinda doubt you're getting 500 fps with a .302 lead ball.....it's possible, but on 400 psi my .311 airgun, which is almost exactly like yours, shoot patched *steel* ball at only around 400 fps. that being said, your's might have a quicker opening ball valve, though mine opens pretty darn fast, and i think yours has a bigger chamber, so that'll increase speed  little bit......  but still,  i wouldn't guess above 300 fps on 165 psi... though it is i suppose possible.  also, a marble weighs nearly the same thing as a little lead ball if not less, and is bigger therefor gets more pounds out of a given pressure per square inch, cause a  .56 barrel is around .2 square inches if i remember correctly, and because of that it gets 20 pounds out of 100 psi, where as a for instance .1 square inch barrel only gets 10 pounds out of that. obviously, if the projectiles are the same material, the bigger one will be much harder to move, but in this case the bigger on is glass, and the smaller one lead.

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #13 on: May 15, 2012, 01:10:04 PM »
The marble being referred to weighs in at 52 grains being shot out of a PVC barrel with no lube and hitting 415 fps. My little lead ball at 40 grains and 165 psi with lube and optimized patching. I also went through great pains in polishing the bore on my rifle, experimented with differing sized patches for best fit versus friction. Also as I have said in the past, I shoot bow and arrow at a max of 300 fps. and this little lead ball is moving a hell of a lot faster than an arrow. Also penetration with this load is going through 2 sheets of 20 ga. aluminum and nearly all the way through a 1/2" piece of 7/16" OSB. at 50 feet. Now I do not have a chrony so cannot say for certain that I`m hitting 500 fps plus but it is sure a good educated guess.

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Re: Easy semiauto airgun
« Reply #14 on: May 15, 2012, 01:15:06 PM »
Also will mention that the 52 grain marble is being propelled with 115 psi.