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The ultimate air system
« on: June 02, 2009, 08:50:36 PM »
This has been the most elusive aspect of airgunning for me - having a reliable, fast air source. One that I dont have to rely CO2 or HPA tanks needing refills. One that doesnt cost too much. One that produces the pressure I need. The list goes on and on. Here is a link to my page that shows some of my systems that have worked for lower (sub 200 psi) pressures: http://www.airgununiverse.net/multishot.html. Now I'm using higher pressures and those systems don't fill the bill. So the experimenting goes on... Back in the old days, people used up to 3 seperate pumps to charge their air tanks.
Well, looks like another thunderstorm is rolling through, so I've got to get off for now. Guess it gives me more time to solve this problem.  ;D

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Re: The ultimate air system
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2009, 08:56:54 PM »
if u get it figured out id sure like to hear about it

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Re: The ultimate air system
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 07:57:23 PM »
So far, I've thought of using 2 old 20 oz CO2 cylinders I have to store air. That gives a good amount of volume, plenty for up to 5? good powered shots. These would reside in a backpack along with a couple homemade pumps modeled after the ones used with old airguns. One pump would have a bigger bore to charge the tank to 100 to 150 psi. The next would take it from that to 200 to 250 psi. The last would take it to the 400 psi I want. You might even be able to get by with 2 pumps. Each shot would get progressively weaker, but with a chronograph you can get a good idea of how many acceptable shots you can take before needing to top off the tanks.
The other idea is to build easily detachable air cylinders that hold one air charge each. Take a shot, swap cylinders. The big problem with these is the cost. Each one would run about $10 a piece.  ???
Switching from a dump piston valve to a poppet / hammer valve could potentially give me better ability to get more shots per fill with either system. However, to get the power I need out of those valves, I'd likely have to switch to higher pressure air than what I'm using now.
Right now, I'm looking at the first system as being the most feasible. I'm planning on modifying my shop compressor a bit to see if I can get it to bypass it's built in tanks to pressurize my own aluminum CO2 cylinders up to 200 or 300 psi. My shock pump can get it up to 400 after that. I know from preliminary chrony testing that 300 psi produces a powerful shot, so I should be able to shoot until my tanks are down to that pressure. Once I get to that point, a hundred to 200 strokes with the shock pump should get my to 400 psi again. I've got to do a little math to see if it will work for 5 good shots. If so, I think this is the route I will take.

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Re: The ultimate air system
« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2009, 05:36:45 PM »
I modified my air compressor to bypass the air tanks and fill my airgun directly. The max the compressor seems to reach is 200 psi. It can charge the airgun to that pressure in about a second.  ;D Now I need to modify my two 20 oz CO2 cylinders to be filled from the air compressor. I imagine the compressor will fill them to 200 psi in 10 seconds. I can then use my shock pump to take it up to 400 psi. Man, that's still going to be a lot of work! Perhaps I can use a popoff valve on my exhaust valve on the airgun and keep about 100 psi in the chamber. This should still give a good amount of power and conserve air...  :) Here is a picture of what I did to make the air compressor work with my airgun:

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Re: The ultimate air system
« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2009, 05:46:15 PM »
Hummmm sounds interesting... I think I'm just gona buy a real airgun pump and not mess with all that stuff.
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Re: The ultimate air system
« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2009, 08:52:58 PM »
I dont blame you a bit, I'll probably go in a very similar direction myself.  ;D Tinkering around has been fun and very educational, but there is no way I can beat the efficiency of the modern 3 stage pump.

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Re: The ultimate air system
« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2009, 08:59:05 PM »
Well, after a bit of break in, the compressor is actually going up to 250 psi. Seems kinda odd for it to be going higher, but I'm sure not complaining. As long as my finances keep going in the same direction, I'm probably going to invest in a HPA tank and regulator and eventually a pump. With that, I can get ~55 shots per fill with no pumping in between. I'm working on buying a house which might tie up a lot of money. If so, I'll have to settle for the setup I mentioned above with the 2 old CO2 cylinders and 5 shots per fill with some pumping in between.